Christian Leader Podcast

LEAD Pods is now the Christian Leader podcast!


The Christian Leader podcast explores what it means to follow Jesus in everyday life.

Through conversations with pastors, church planters, ministry leaders and trusted voices from beyond the church, each episode offers practical encouragement and biblical insight for living out your faith at home, at work, in your relationships and in your community.

Whether you're leading a church, raising a family, serving in ministry or simply seeking to grow as a disciple, the Christian Leader podcast is designed to help you follow Jesus with greater clarity, purpose and impact.

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Sabbaticals: Why Rest Doesn't Just Benefit the Pastor (Nathan Ensz)

July 9, 2026

Pastor Nathan Ensz of Kingwood Bible Church in Salem, Oregon, returns to the podcast to talk about sabbaticals, what they are, why the Bible points toward them, and what he learned from taking one in 2024 after seven years at Kingwood. Nathan traces the idea back to the biblical pattern of Sabbath rest, the seven-year cycle of rest for the land, and the year of Jubilee, and explains why he believes ministry makes rest especially essential even though Scripture gives no direct command for pastors to take a sabbatical.

Nathan is honest about his own hesitation. He knew of pastors whose sabbaticals had gone badly and worried his own might too, until his wife, Kelsey, pointed out that a sabbatical is for the whole family, not just him. Once he was away from Kingwood, he and Kelsey discovered how much of their identity had become tied to his role as pastor rather than his identity as a child of God, a realization he calls one of the most important parts of the experience. He also describes the practical side of two and a half months away: family milestones, visits to other churches, real rest at home, and watching his associate pastor Josh lead well in his absence, which reassured him that a sabbatical is a gift to the church family as much as to the pastor.

The conversation closes with Nathan's encouragement for anyone approaching a sabbatical (including Matt, who is preparing for his own this September) to figure out what genuine rest looks like for them personally rather than copying someone else's plan. Nathan also previews the sabbatical workshop he will lead at USMB Gathering 2026 in Salt Lake City and reflects on how USMB has done well encouraging churches to embrace this practice.

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The Prodigal Frontman: The Deconstruction and Return of Jason Dunn (Hawk Nelson)

June 25, 2026

If you were a Christian music fan in the early 2000s, Hawk Nelson needs no introduction. Jason Dunn fronted one of the era's biggest Christian punk-rock bands, touring nearly 280 shows a year, appearing on NBC and feature films, and selling out theaters before he was old enough to understand what was happening. In this episode, Jason traces the whole arc with Matt, how a youth group worship band became a label act, what fame does to a 20-something, and how he ended up writing a number-one Christian radio single he describes as pure mockery.

The heart of this episode is what happened after the spotlight. Jason talks openly about pouring out to fans night after night while no one was pouring into him, the slow drift into cynicism and addiction, and the year he lost both his band and his marriage. He describes the bottom honestly: blowing through everything in New York City, crashing on friends' floors, and finally driving home to Canada with his truck, his dog, and his guitar, collapsing in his parents' driveway. It's a modern prodigal story told without a filter.

But it doesn't end there. Jason shares the unlikely night his faith became real for the first time, the family he has now, and why he believes his calling today is less about music and more about becoming the accountable presence he never had. For pastors and leaders, his reflections on deconstruction, the danger of pedestals, and the cost of giving without receiving are worth the listen. Jason's new album, Formerly Known As, is out now.

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When They Can't, Not Won't: Understanding Learning Differences (David Stevens, Crystal Nachtigall, Micki Pollman)

June 11, 2026

This is a big episode, and not just because of the topic.

After more than 150 episodes as LEAD Pods, we've officially got a new name. Today Matt shares a little context for the rebrand at the top of the episode, but the short version is this: we're now the Christian Leader Podcast, and we think the name better reflects who we're for and what we're about.

We're kicking off this new chapter with a conversation that matters. Matt sits down with licensed counselor Micki Pollman, kids pastor and former teacher Crystal Nachtigall, and Tabor College neuroscience professor Dr. David Stevens for a wide-ranging discussion on ADHD, ADD, neurodivergence, and how trauma shapes the way kids learn.

Whether you're a parent, a teacher, a church volunteer, or a pastor, chances are you've got someone in your life who's wired differently. This episode will help you understand what's actually going on in their brain and how to show up for them well. From co-regulation to the "can't vs. won't" question, the conversation is full of practical, compassionate guidance you can put to work right away.

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